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SIMATIC STEP 7 (TIA Portal) continues the success story of SIMATIC STEP 7. With SIMATIC STEP 7 (TIA Portal) users configure, program, test and diagnose the basic, advanced and distributed controllers of each generation, whether it is PLC- or PC-based, incl. Software controllers.
As a registered customer you can download the Trial for SIMATIC STEP 7 Basic and Professional V13 and test it for 21 days. New features and changes compared to earlier versions are described in the delivery release for STEP 7 V13 at entry ID (84047138). Siemens SIMOTION SCOUT V4.4 with HF2 for Step7 v5.5 and TIA Portal 13. The motion control system SIMOTION – is a platform for a simple and flexible solution of a wide variety of tasks that require motion control.
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(Updated June, 2016.)Totally Integrated Automation (TIA) is the current Siemens engineering framework for automation. It is vastly different from the 5.x version and it took me time to get used to.
Overall, it has been improving steadily with each new version but there are still a few pesky issues that can be a bother. This is valid for version 13 service pack 1 update 9 (June 2016) but some of these issues have been present in earlier versions.(I will update this post regularly.) First things first: back up oftenWith the classic Step 7 5.x you always had the option of saving each window individually.
Sometimes it can be useful not to save after a download, so that you can quickly revert back to the last saved version.The programming editor could crash, resulting in the possible loss of work for any window in the editor that wasn't saved. Other components would survive the crash.There is an important deviation in TIA Portal: a crash of the software brings down the entire software suite, resulting in the loss of anything not saved, not just the current window and/or the current editor, but everything (tags, alarms, HMI components, hardware configurations, etc).Therefore, it is sage advise to not only save but also back up often throughout the day. You can't save the contents of selected windows or components, it is all or nothing. Backing up an open project can be done from within TIA Portal without closing the project. The resulting.zap13 file is a ZIP file with a custom Windows extension.(I should point out that since V13 Update 3 the stability has vastly improved. With V13 SP1 UPD1 I experienced only one crash - knock on wood.) Undo missing for STL networksIn any ladder network you can use the undo function. In STL networks, however, any accidental deletions of code or any typos are permanent: no undo implemented for STL.
Siemens engineers must never make mistakes. No undo for STL networks.Recently, I accidentally selected a fair amount of code and before realizing this I had pressed delete. I was able to restore the deleted code from one of the very frequent backups I make throughout the day, but it is time consuming to open a second project, find and copy the code. A simple undo would be so nice.Edit: Even in ladder networks the undo function is not always available. It seems inconsistent.Update: this has improved considerably with V13 Update 5.
Major problem: incorrect marking of difference offline/onlineOften, the software will indicate differences between online/offline versions. This seems to be based on time stamps, rather than actual code differences. See: Comment changes in STL networks forces recompile/download elsewhere. The classic Step 7 would display this with different symbols, red for code differences (based on checksum) and yellow for time stamp mismatches (which can occur if you have made comment changes after downloading a block).
Insufficient scroll wheel supportThe scroll wheel is supported. However, scrolling by hovering over a window without highlighting it is not supported consistently. Some windows (like the assignment lists) do not support scrolling with the scroll wheel at all. Really, Siemens? No scrolling with Control-Up/DownAny decent programming editor will support scrolling with the keyboard combinations Control-Up and Control-Down. It scrolls the page up and down without moving the location of the cursor.
Version 5.x supported it, although not in all editors. SCL, for example, didn't support it. Unfortunately, this is not implemented for TIA Portal at all. Monitor after downloadOnce a block has been downloaded to the PLC it will take some time before TIA Portal performs a checksum test and updates the status indicating the offline and online version matches. Until then, the green 'play' button remains greyed out. Sometimes, these delays are more than annoying if speed is of the essence.
Fonts ignored when printingWhen printing code the software ignored fonts defined for ladder and STL and uses Courier New for STL code. It uses a fairly large font size for this that seems disproportional to the font size for the ladder networks.Current settings:General - Script/text editors - Font. In the picture, the gap between words MW366-MW498 is visually somewhat obvious, but that is often not the case.
Unique HMI object namesWhen copying an object and pasting it in the same screen (picture) it is assigned a unique name. This is not the case when pasting the object in another screen. The name remains the same.This leads to compiler warnings and can have unexpected (potentially dangerous) results in runtime.Edit: this has improved with V13 SP1 Upd3. Lack of absolute addresses in datablocksWith classic Step 7 data blocks have a declaration view and a data view.
The declaration view is used to populate the DB and create structures. The latter reveals the absolute addressing and is used for online viewing. SFC51 selection from the TIA Portal library.This is unfortunate since a lot of the literature is referring to these by their numbers. UpdatesNovember 13, 2014: With V13/Update 5 the undo functionality has greatly improved.December 20, 2014: Service pack 1 improved the undo feature.February 17, 2015: Added label name peculiarity.February 17, 2015: Added online/offline checksum fail.March 19, 2015: Added the address gap issue.March 29, 2015: Added more pictures to illustrate the label name issue from February 17.April 26, 2015: Added HMI object name issue.May 29, 2015: Added the lack of absolute references in data blocks and of function blocks.June 23, 2015: Noted improvement on assigning unique HMI object names. Noted the fix for jump labels with underscores. Sorry to hear about your crashes.
I have been fortunate enough that V13 SP1 has only crashed once for me (I have, however, opted to reinstall everything with V13 SP1 and not update the existing installation that had V11 and V12). Have you tried searching the?This has a recommendation to recompile the PLC project, then the HMI. Or alternatively, copy the various project components to a newly created project.Here is a that mentions crashes when deleting tags from the HMI picture.If neither one is helpful, I would recommend contacting Siemens for support on this issue. In the past, they have often recommended re-installing the software, very time-consuming. With TIA it often seems that project corruption can occur.
Evidently, the software is then not able to handle that gracefully. to post comments. I can't get that to work for me. I can define a jump label starting with an underscore.
But I can't seem to let TIA accept a jump statement with that in any way.If I type the label name after the jump instruction it is regarded invalid.If I start typing a quote as the first character after the jump instruction it will allow the label name (with the underscore) to be selected from a list; it will reject the result, though.If I enclose the label name in quotes it is also rejected. to post comments. Indeed, I miss viewing the absolute addresses as well. It seems to fit in with the notion of forcing engineers to use symbolic programming as much as possible.
Thanks for the tip on going online. I guess you could achieve the same from the simulator if you're not connected.Another thing that relates to the overwhelming preference of Siemens for symbolic addressing is that when selecting SFBs and SFCs it mostly is referred to by symbolic names as opposed to the absolute block numbers.Thanks for the feedback. (I'll update the main post.). to post comments. 'Unique HMI object names' - 'This leads to compiler warnings and can have unexpected (potentially dangerous) results in runtime.' This name conflict can occur only between the items of a Screen and the items of its Template and is only relevant in case accessing the screen items by name from a VBScript. Uniqueness is guaranteed only in the scope of 1 screen as it seems and the template is considered part of the screen - for Comfort, RT Advanced, MultiPanel etc.
I think for RT Professional it is not so. to post comments. I agree with the quote in your comment. From experience I can say that it can indeed have strange side effects. Unintended events can execute so my rule of thumb is to correct those immediately.What I find remarkable is that it does not appear to be too difficult to automatically assign unique names, as is the case if you copy objects on the same screen (although today I encountered that exact same problem with text objects that I copied within the same screen). TIA must have an internal table of object names as it performs these checks while compiling. It appears to be a bug, not intended.
to post comments. To add to my last comment: I just tried this again in a test project (V13/SP1/Upd3):I copied two buttons on the same screen and to another screen using copy/paste. Unique names were assigned. (The object called BtnHM1ReverseRq correctly received a 1 suffix: BtnHM1ReverseRq1.)However, this afternoon I did the same with a text object and this did not happen.I just tried duplicating the same text field in the same project as this afternoon and now the text field was properly renamed from Text field37 to Text field33.
Perhaps it interfered with an object name already present in another screen. Why it worked now, no idea. Seems an improvement but not entirely reliable (yet). to post comments. I would like to add to the list of TIA Portal V13 SP1 issues a lack of cross-reference overlapping detection. When you cross-ref. For example M10.3 bit is shows correctly access to this bit, when you cross-ref.
MB10 byte it shows correctly access to this byte, BUT when cross-ref. MB10 byte there is now way to display also bit access to this byte. In Step 7 5.5 ther was an option 'Show overlapping access' and it did the job done. In TIA Portal when you right-click some tag name there is an option 'Show overlapping accesses', but it's always greyed out. Or I'm doing something wrong?. to post comments. Nice blog!I have done a few projects with TIA, like others i wouldn't use it if i had to make the choice.Too many issues and design faults, i start to wonder if they can keep this in the air.Siemens totally missed a change to build the best programming tool on the market with such a big development budget.
If they had involved some serious PLC programmers during design instead of marketing people it.They should never have left the concept of S7 and the use of mnemonics instead of compiling.Compares are a nightmare, cross referencing is only capable of finding full addresses.' Goto location' making fast navigation possible in Classic is no longer possible.Conversion/Translation of LAD/FBD to STL is no longer possible.Generate source files is no longer possible for LAD/FBD.Multi-user possibilities are forgottenStill no single step / breakpoints in 1500, not even in the simulator! Almost impossible to find errors in complex SCL code.Comparing projects not so easy.Downloading datablocks. Well the snap function brings some help but is it user friendly? Hell no.One of the strong points of Classic is that YOU can decide if a download is safe or not.
Now TIA forces you to download DB's or go into STOP to prevent you making errors? Totally unacceptable for installations that may only stop once a year for maintenance.Sometimes you can't compare code after installing an update, TIA suggest just to download all, yeah that's a nice choice if you don't know the data and code are equal.Yes they want you to work symbolically and use optimized blocks, but then powerfull instructions to work symbolically is missing. VARIANTS bring some solutions but ALIAS or AS functions are missing.AT function only works for exact the same structures. Object oriented options. Where are the smart ways to link HMI structures and to enable data engineering. TIA Openness seems nice at start but it takes too much effort to use at full power.And yes it's still too slow. Too many checkboxes, useless warnings etc.Other then that it has improved a lot the last years but still there is a long way to go to become one of the best again.
to post comments. I agree with some of your criticism. It is clearly developed from the ground up, which was necessary to obtain the level of integration they were looking for between all the components. In doing so, they have made several poor design choices. No doubt that the next versions will address some of these issues, but it remains full of quirks that are sometimes difficult to overcome. (It seems to me that the developers may not be all that well-versed in actual hands-on programming in the field.)I haven't had time yet but I intend to add some points you brought up and the previous commenter. I'd like to submit these issues to Siemens eventually in the hope it will catch the attention of someone.
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to post comments. Used Step5, Step7 and now TIA V11,V12 & V13 over last 15 years. TIA has so many problems it makes life very difficult. I have experienced many of the bugs reported above plus others - like safety compile just hanging. Even most elementary stuff like search/replace still doesnt work properly after 3 versions! It's like they decided to take everything that was good about Step7 and NOT include it in TIA!How can a safety program in Step7 take few minutes to compile but in TIA takes 30mins - full compile is much longer!
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Embarrassing to be working with client, need to make a simple change and then wait nearly and hour before its's compiled/downloaded - are we moving forwards or backwards with this software? - Migration can also be problematic - fine for a simple project but anything more involved and you are in for hours and hours of pain! The few good things about TIA are far outweighed by the bad, countless hours have been lost due to crashes and strange behavior. to post comments. It is cumbersome to find a block by number. I want DB2020, why should I have to navigate through the project tree to get there?Why can't I cross-reference a tag with slice access?If an instance data block is referenced, why doesn't the cross-reference allow me to navigate to the instantiation point?Why are some tables able to be copied to csv format and not others?Why did updating from sp1 upd7 upd8 eventually end up with the requirement to reinstall windows?
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If TIA Portal was meant to be operated from a squeaky clean or virtualized environment, then why don't they just admit it up front and warn you?. to post comments. All this applies to Wincc Professional/PanelsYou can also add that is not posible to create arrays of user defined types elements in Wincc, neither use indirect addressing with user defined types.Also you cannot define mixed structures (some variables are internals and others are for a device like when you sea a structrure in Wincc that comes from a PCS7 block). You cannot leave gaps in the addresses (for ssmple becouse all the information i need are in Words 10 an 24 of the structure). to post comments.